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welcome to skeptical where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics I'm your host Alex Karras

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and I have to admit that I'm always a

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little bit nervous before I interview

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psychics and mediums I don't know I

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guess I feel a little bit exposed or

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something like they're gonna read my

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mind and even though they tell me they

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don't do that and they're not on all the

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time I always have my doubts

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maybe that's why when watkins publishing

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contacted me about this new book from

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today's guest Claire broad I hesitated

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but the truth is I was also instantly

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intrigued by this really quite amazing

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medium and her desire to find a

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scientific understanding for all these

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many incredible experiences she's had in

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her life and how that led to her

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becoming a medium a much sought-after

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and respected medium so Claire welcome

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thanks so much for joining me thank you

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Alex it's great to be here Claire has an

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absolutely terrific new book out with a

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kind of cheeky title what what the dead

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are dying to teach us so we're gonna

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talk a lot about that because it really

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does answer so many questions that I had

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going in I mean I kind of hit her and

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her publicist pretty hard saying hey I

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don't do book interviews and I got

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through the book I was like man I got to

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do a book interview good oh that's a

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compliment but you know you're also you

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kind of understand the skeptical inquiry

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to perpetuate doubt vibe so you're open

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to that and we might go some other

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places yeah all of that I'm questioning

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just as much as anyone else so I get the

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hold out thing I've had it in buckets

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great great well you know I think doubt

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is a very spiritual thing

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and I think it's much more of a

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spiritual thing than faith but that

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might be something we talk about more so

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this new book it's great you've also

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written another book actually a

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best-selling book answers from heaven

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you wrote that with Teresa Chung so

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you're a pro at this right well I

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wouldn't say that in the book I've just

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written I explained how I did not ever

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see myself as a writer it wasn't

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something that was even on my radar is

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something that I thought I would do

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I kept receiving messages from different

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mediums and spiritual practitioners for

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the last 23 years telling me that I had

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come here to write books and I scoff to

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be honest it wasn't until answers from

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heaven came along because the Teresa

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Chun who is a Sunday Times bestselling

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author and a Cambridge college graduate

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in theology when she approached me

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asking for help to try and understand

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this minefield of a subject which is

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mediumship and after-death communication

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there wasn't till that happened that I

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took it seriously I dismiss those

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messages for all those years and then

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first book was really an introduction it

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was great because I was working with dr.

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who we all know on skeptical a skeptic

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oh as you know a mediumship scientist

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almost all the deaths come after death

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communication scientist and Teresa Chung

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so it's an introduction to mediumship

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where there's a bit more meat on the

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bone because it not only talks about

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science but talks about my experiences

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and gets much more into it rather than

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the first book which was an introduction

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to if that makes sense

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with the books not to pump books I think

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we want to do was no it's it's a

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fantastic book and you really do I love

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the way that you interweave these

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stories about your life and your expense

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is because we see the whole thing

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evolved for you I mean what you said at

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the beginning I got to tell you people

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are going to hear that in it sounds so

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all my life mediums have been telling me

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I will write a book for the spirit world

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you know but then your story unfolds you

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know four years old you're having

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experiences in your at the grave of your

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not forget your grandmother your

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grandfather yeah grandfather announcing

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to the everyone around you know like

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only a four-year-old could you know

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dreams and all these really

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extraordinary experiences that you have

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in it's not that you weave that into

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some story you just tell the story and I

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think the reader is left with well of

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course this this person is on a mission

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well that's the thing I I'm not what I

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really don't want anyone to do who sees

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my work or you know looks into the books

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or whatever I took you know even

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listening to this I don't want anyone to

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believe me beliefs like you were saying

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earlier I don't know that's the last

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thing I want I'm trying to encourage

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people to explore for themselves because

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that's what I've had to do so basically

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what I tried to do was just this is my

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truth this has happened to me

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these experience as if the experiences

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that I've had a part of human experience

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I'm not crazy I'm not insane and so how

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do I understand this and if anywhere

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brings people any hope or gives them any

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clearer idea about their own lives or if

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they're just questioning and curious

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like I am then great and I just feel I

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know it sounds trite but when you've

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been given so many messages over so many

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years by people who don't know you at

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all all saying exactly the same thing

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and then when it plays out as a person

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who is you know intelligent as I am you

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know in the end you have to question

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whether there's something in there

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these people didn't know each other they

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don't know me there was no need for them

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so specific even down to the date that I

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happen you know it just blew literally

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blew my mind and I write in in what the

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deadlines of teachers that you know it

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was I doubted for years even though I

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was you know exploring after death

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communication but in that moment I just

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knew come on now you've got to own your

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truth I don't know about you Alex but

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I've got someone always over the back of

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my shoulders some some almost like this

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non peace non-physical voice that is

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from the human world telling me you've

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got it wrong you're delusional you know

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and you're leading people down the

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garden path here and you know

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nothing in this and you know that this

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is always nagging away at me here don't

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don't do the wrong thing but there comes

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this point when of it I had to realize

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no one's got the answers and I've had

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these experiences and they're valuable

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they helped me and they help others so

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let's just own them and and start a

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conversation you know because I'm not

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daft and I'm not fraudulent so what's

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going on good enough and you know I just

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book and then I'm going to play my

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categories but you'd go to great lengths

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science in the book so people are going

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quite unique so you know Julie by shal

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viewing research there it is after death

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studies referenced you know there it is

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stories of a medium along with someone

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our perception I don't believe that

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materialistic science has got all the

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researchers who are willing to explore

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support you know I want to understand

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this myself and even though I'm having

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an experience that I know is real for me

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you know sometimes you need to connect

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with people outside of yourself don't

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you to see what are they thinking what

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are they finding you know have I

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understood this right I'm open to

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you know I I think that's the true

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scientific process is near that's the

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true word of skeptical is to be able to

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say I had that opinion I drew that

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conclusion based on my experiences but

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hey there's new piece of you know

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information is is skewing my viewpoint

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now changing my ideas or be flexible

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know taking a position so I got to

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defend it I'm not I don't feel like I

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defend any position awesome I love it

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so the skeptic coach yep pretty bored

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then I put together for you Claire look

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at dead faith light and dark the

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spiritual path grief skeptics science

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time and h-e-bs which you know what that

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is but that'll be a mystery one for our

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audience if you haven't seen these

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that didn't work out this time so this

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is gonna be okay Wow very drawn just

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straight away to the spiritual part so

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they start where okay well I am drawn to

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this spiritual path as well and you know

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one of the things that I thought was

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just terrific about your book is it

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revealed to me your spiritual path

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me and you're upfront about revealing

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that but your spiritual path as a

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psychic medium as and I say psychic

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medium so that I don't want to go over

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that old definition you know all mediums

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are psychics not all psychics I throw it

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out there just so people you know

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understand and make that association

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with the general term but I'm burying

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the lede here it really fascinated me

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that this is a spiritual journey for you

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that happens to include communication

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with the dead and we might talk about

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that later so talk about your your

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spiritual path sure well I mean I guess

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so you know you you touched on it in the

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fact that when I was four years old I

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water and a bar that was there for

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people to use and and I felt my

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grandfather come around me the

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experience as totally overwhelming he

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I became him and in my child like

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I just accepted the experience so fast

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forward a little bit

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and as I get older and start to realize

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hey I don't think we have understood the

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world or human experience as well as we

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might or consciousness I start to

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realize I go back to that moment

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whenever I'm doubting having many

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psychic experiences and insights and

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contact if you like from the deceased as

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I get older I go back to that moment

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when I fall and I realize that where I

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was as a four-year-old was in a state of

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complete clear mindedness and open

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minded things just

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in that moment and it's a beautiful

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place it's a place where anything is

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possible where I wasn't in a state of

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fear

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I was just open to life and just being

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there experiencing it so for me a

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spiritual pathway means getting back to

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that space where all's possible and I

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can be in touch with a greater reality

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and that sounds trite but it's peace you

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know it doesn't as much sound trite as

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it does sound unique because when we

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think about the spiritual path as it's

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generally turned we think about

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religious people first of all because

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that's what we're told to think about

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when we think about the spiritual path

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when I think about spiritual path

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because it's kind of my thing

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I mean I've this yoga thing and this

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non-dual thing has been a big part of my

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spiritual path you know so but when I

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look at that I see some real differences

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between the spiritual path that you know

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we might find with you know some of the

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folks I threw up Eckart Tolle or Mickey

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singer Yogananda or neem Karoli Baba

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these are all people that are meaningful

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to me in terms of a spiritual path but

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what I wanted to draw the contrast to is

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the spiritual path of this Vedic yogic

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kind of Eastern spiritual path a lot of

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people are also familiar with the

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spiritual path like in Zen or or

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Buddhism and all that stuff it's very

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much of a different spiritual path than

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your spiritual path and I thought that

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just might be something interesting to

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talk about your spiritual path is

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awesome your spiritual path is of

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service of service to the spiritual

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world but also in service to us here who

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are going through us humans are going

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through a lot of things but I hear

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something different when I hear the

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spiritual path as it's a much many times

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described in the East as this kind of

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removal from self this kind of

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realization that there is the greater

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and I might want to take a step back or

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withdraw a little bit

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from my worldly materialistic

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involvement so that might be really

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specific to me but it's a question

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that's been on my mind for a while when

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I was wondering if you had any thoughts

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on the contrast maybe between that

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Eastern spiritual path and the spiritual

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path that you're describing yeah I mean

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I actually don't know if they are too

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different I think that I know that might

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sound on the bomb on the front of it

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like you know it's not that's impossible

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but you know the likes of Eckhart Tolle

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for instance and he's huge spiritual

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influence in my life too because I

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recognize the truth in what he's saying

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in about entering into the nail being in

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the moment because that's what I'm

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saying I experienced with my grand bread

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when I was in the moment as a child and

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not in my logical thinking brain then I

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was open to a transformative experience

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and I hear them saying the same thing

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I've heard the likes of Barrett saying

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he heard a voice say to him resist

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nothing when he went into a place of

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stillness and surrendered his mind and

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mediums that's exactly how they get

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trained so the terminology is different

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but a medium is taught to sit in the

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power same thing you you become still

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you learn to feel and sense your own

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energy Who am I what do I feel like how

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am i emotions you know how's my physical

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body feel what is my energy like and

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when you understand who you are and how

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you feel then as you expand your

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awareness or your mind so in the same

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way that Yogi's do then you become aware

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of a greater reality and I here in the

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East the talk in yoga for instance of

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opening up the chakras the energy Qi

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whatever you want to call it pulling

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that energy up and out through you it's

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exactly the same in mediumship you're

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doing the same thing you're learning to

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be in your power draw upon your own

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energy expand your energy and awareness

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and then somewhere

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the mine settles expands to a greater

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reality and you sense and feel the

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energies of others around you so you

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know I I feel like sometimes spiritual

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teachers stop there they they're

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reticent of describing an afterlife to

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say these days you know they see the

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power in being able to get people in the

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moment and that's enough because we

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don't have all the answers for what

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happens next but they're all saying the

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same thing they're all saying there is

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something more something greater than

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ourselves some intelligence that goes

401
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beyond their own understanding and so I

402
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can read lots of the spiritual test

403
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texts now going from right across from

404
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you know the hermetica to you know

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Kabbalah to Christianity to Buddhism and

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I can see the common threads and we'll

407
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say it's in the mystical text so I say

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caballo rather than Jewish and I'm very

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drawn to the Gnostics rather than the

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Christians because they're the they're

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the traditions that actually put people

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from my perspective actually in touch

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with the spiritual dimensions for

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instance what I mean is if you go into a

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church as I did a lot when I was a child

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you know you get told to pray you know

417
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but you don't get told how you just put

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your hands together and you know you

419
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send your thoughts out whereas you know

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a lot the old traditions like the

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Gnostics and I write about this in the

422
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book actually explain about connecting

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with into the afterlife and

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communicating and meditation and spirit

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contact and it's all in there

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00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:19,370
there's nothing new here that I'm saying

427
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so to me it's not a contradiction it's

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all part of the same does that make

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sense it makes great sense

430
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:29,960
I thought that was a great answer so so

431
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with that let's return to the semantics

432
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Oh jeopardy board Claire where should we

433
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:41,090
go next okay let's go dead dead

434
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good topic you know that that is the

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main focal point of the book what the

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dead are dying to teach us and I think

437
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you're

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laying around there with the idea but it

439
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does peeve me a little bit when they get

440
00:20:04,210 --> 00:20:01,970
your mediums talk about the dead I think

441
00:20:07,660 --> 00:20:04,220
you do a beautiful job in the book of

442
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talking about that our understanding of

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death is flawed from the onset the fact

444
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that we are here and if I already

445
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experienced death by virtue of the fact

446
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that we're talking with people who have

447
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passed then we maybe need to rethink

448
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:26,540
what we mean by that so that even might

449
00:20:33,130 --> 00:20:29,330
be a great place to start in just in

450
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terms of what you understand dead to be

451
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and how you understand it inside of this

452
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larger thing that we throw around called

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00:20:45,610 --> 00:20:42,710
consciousness yeah I mean I hate the

454
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word dead to me it's redundant it's a

455
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dead word dead to me means annihilation

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and from my personal experiences life is

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a continuum so when you hear

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00:21:00,700 --> 00:20:57,770
traditionally I suppose mediums talking

459
00:21:02,050 --> 00:21:00,710
about their dead they've built an idea

460
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in their mind of literally like a

461
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heavenly realm where people are living

462
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and where we go meet our loved ones and

463
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I'm not saying it isn't that but I think

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it's a whole lot more than that I'm much

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more interested in what does that imply

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about consciousness and the nature of

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reality and what is reality so to me I

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mean the play on title what the Dead had

469
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died to teach us is from my experience

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of the communications that have happened

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over my lifetime the dead don't take

472
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themselves too seriously you know there

473
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there is a message of continued life

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they do seem to just be very similar to

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how they were before

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all right slightly more enlightened with

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a bigger viewpoint but you know there it

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seems a definite continuation in

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awareness consciousness gross

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others there's even a more dramatic

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shift I think that you take in terms of

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perspective there in that our

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perspective of were here and this is

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solid terra firma and the dead

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over there and what we hear continuously

486
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from all sorts of different sources

487
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whether it's near-death experience and

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they say I felt like I was arriving home

489
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or whether we hear and after death

490
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communication and they say you know they

491
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kind of talked down to us a little bit

492
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like you know we have to lower our

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vibration to get it down to you so this

494
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this whole thing is shifted when we

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really start digging into it in a way

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that you haven't experiencing it and say

497
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you know that's not really it I mean you

498
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guys are kind of playing in the small

499
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game over here and there's a much bigger

500
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game kind of involved absolutely when I

501
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wrote answers from heaven I was quite

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shocked that physicists contacted me

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because to me the book is a book of hope

504
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for that book and an introduction as I

505
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said to the idea of an art alive that's

506
00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:00,340
through research so when physicists are

507
00:23:03,719 --> 00:23:02,049
contacting me telling me Claire we read

508
00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:03,729
your book because we're interested in

509
00:23:10,830 --> 00:23:06,849
your perception your ideas here because

510
00:23:12,989 --> 00:23:10,840
we know that the universe is holographic

511
00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:12,999
in nature multi-dimensional we're trying

512
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to set you know what they were telling

513
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:15,129
me is they're not interested in

514
00:23:19,649 --> 00:23:16,720
mediumship but we are interested in

515
00:23:22,349 --> 00:23:19,659
reality and I started to realize then

516
00:23:25,619 --> 00:23:22,359
you know I need to change my whole idea

517
00:23:27,269 --> 00:23:25,629
about what spirit is I don't even like

518
00:23:29,639 --> 00:23:27,279
that word I don't know what you word to

519
00:23:33,539 --> 00:23:29,649
use consciousness psyche awareness the

520
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:33,549
non-physical aspect of me you know

521
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because otherwise I think we can drop

522
00:23:39,779 --> 00:23:37,119
pictures of spirit beings and yes okay

523
00:23:40,859 --> 00:23:39,789
I've seen apparitions but this is

524
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something that could be all my

525
00:23:45,180 --> 00:23:43,419
perspective it could be the mind it

526
00:23:48,899 --> 00:23:45,190
could be consciousness creating reality

527
00:23:50,369 --> 00:23:48,909
you know I'm I'm much more I'm open so I

528
00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:50,379
hope playing with the idea of even what

529
00:23:55,409 --> 00:23:52,149
that means and and I feel it's

530
00:23:58,289 --> 00:23:55,419
dimensional I feel it's it's energetic

531
00:24:00,509 --> 00:23:58,299
in some way just a different frequency

532
00:24:03,299 --> 00:24:00,519
and therefore perhaps the spirit

533
00:24:04,139 --> 00:24:03,309
dimension is just this world just we

534
00:24:05,999 --> 00:24:04,149
can't see it

535
00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:06,009
I mean you know the physical I can only

536
00:24:09,869 --> 00:24:07,720
seen about this in the book at naught

537
00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:09,879
point naught 1% of everything around

538
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:12,340
this anyway and then we've got dark

539
00:24:15,659 --> 00:24:14,289
matter and then we've got consciousness

540
00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:15,669
that we don't even understand how you

541
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:17,830
know I'm trying to think okay I don't

542
00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:20,530
want to be a simplistic now is heaven

543
00:24:26,430 --> 00:24:23,920
earth and even hell you know to me it's

544
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:26,440
too small I'm talking about the nature

545
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:29,050
of reality and I don't care how I

546
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:32,530
continue on afterwards you know it I'm

547
00:24:39,030 --> 00:24:35,770
tearing but I'm tearing that something

548
00:24:40,890 --> 00:24:39,040
is continuing afterwards I think that's

549
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:40,900
wonderful I love the way you bounce

550
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:45,610
between the uber complex that we can

551
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:48,910
never comprehend and just being upfront

552
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:51,970
about that and even having you know a

553
00:24:58,050 --> 00:24:54,130
little spirit guide channeling in the

554
00:25:00,450 --> 00:24:58,060
book you're in says give up you're not

555
00:25:02,550 --> 00:25:00,460
that's not the goal here is to try and

556
00:25:04,110 --> 00:25:02,560
fit it all into some little box of your

557
00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:04,120
understanding and believe me you don't

558
00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:06,580
have the capability to do it here is

559
00:25:12,330 --> 00:25:09,700
kind of a message I'm hearing but at the

560
00:25:16,380 --> 00:25:12,340
same time I appreciate that you returned

561
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,390
to trying to give us that understanding

562
00:25:21,030 --> 00:25:18,400
trying to make the pieces that we do

563
00:25:23,310 --> 00:25:21,040
have fit together because that is our

564
00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:23,320
human nature too and I guess that would

565
00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:25,630
connect me to one other point that I

566
00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:29,500
wanted to raise about the dead issue and

567
00:25:36,030 --> 00:25:33,100
that is reincarnation because I thought

568
00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:36,040
you did an awesome job of handling that

569
00:25:41,610 --> 00:25:37,990
topic which can be really really

570
00:25:43,890 --> 00:25:41,620
difficult for spiritualism people for

571
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:43,900
psychic mediums I just had a delightful

572
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:47,290
woman on Debra diamond written a

573
00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:49,210
terrific book and I really appreciate

574
00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:51,040
the work that she's doing but she

575
00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:53,560
totally stumbles on the reincarnation

576
00:25:56,940 --> 00:25:55,390
thing right I mean she's a very

577
00:25:59,010 --> 00:25:56,950
accomplished meeting we get up to

578
00:26:01,860 --> 00:25:59,020
reincarnation goes well isn't that kind

579
00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:01,870
of a religious thing I got a religious

580
00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:04,150
thing I mean I guess there's a religious

581
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:06,670
association to it but you know

582
00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:10,960
University of Virginia Ian Stevenson Jim

583
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:14,440
Tucker peer-reviewed research body marks

584
00:26:19,860 --> 00:26:16,930
on people have died violent deaths and

585
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:19,870
come back you know the science here does

586
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:22,410
not suggest this is purely some

587
00:26:28,740 --> 00:26:25,510
quote-unquote religious thing you do an

588
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:28,750
awesome job in your book of 1 tracing

589
00:26:34,450 --> 00:26:32,110
that there is that kind of preconceived

590
00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:34,460
notion inside of spirit

591
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,500
lism which i found fascinating because

592
00:26:41,170 --> 00:26:39,200
here is another thing where while these

593
00:26:43,390 --> 00:26:41,180
people do have their own dogma

594
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:43,400
they do have their own ability to have a

595
00:26:48,850 --> 00:26:46,610
blind spot here and you've kind of

596
00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:48,860
pushed through that blind spot and said

597
00:26:53,170 --> 00:26:50,300
yeah you know that is the way I was

598
00:26:56,140 --> 00:26:53,180
trained so I was not open to that and

599
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:56,150
then I became open to that and here's

600
00:27:01,570 --> 00:26:58,610
what I discovered and it's really quite

601
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:01,580
wonderful so one tell us about your

602
00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:04,250
understanding of reincarnation and then

603
00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:08,030
how it fits into this larger question of

604
00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:13,550
the Dead okay well yes I mean I do

605
00:27:19,030 --> 00:27:16,430
understand why it is that spiritualist

606
00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:19,040
mediums are bold if you like or or you

607
00:27:26,850 --> 00:27:23,150
know traditionally even now are reticent

608
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:26,860
to cover reincarnation it's because

609
00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:29,930
traditionally they can't prove it and

610
00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:32,120
they we can't prove the iron

611
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:33,950
I don't think yet we're at a position

612
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,570
where we've proven the ARBs alive

613
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:37,760
scientifically calls me up and otherwise

614
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:40,190
we'd know it you know so what we're

615
00:27:46,090 --> 00:27:43,130
trying to do as you know is provide some

616
00:27:47,710 --> 00:27:46,100
evidence to suggest there's something

617
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:47,720
else and of course with reincarnation

618
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:50,030
that becomes very difficult you can tell

619
00:27:53,770 --> 00:27:52,010
a story you can tell your experiences

620
00:27:56,770 --> 00:27:53,780
but it's very hard to then get

621
00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:56,780
information that can then back up the

622
00:28:01,030 --> 00:27:59,450
possibility so what I mean by that is

623
00:28:02,860 --> 00:28:01,040
you know if you bring a deceased loved

624
00:28:04,690 --> 00:28:02,870
one forward they describe in their

625
00:28:06,550 --> 00:28:04,700
personality they describe in their life

626
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:06,560
and then they tell you something or they

627
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:08,450
tell their relatives something that the

628
00:28:13,030 --> 00:28:10,610
relative doesn't know but that you can

629
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:13,040
then go and find out there's this real

630
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,110
sort of nugget of wealth how would they

631
00:28:20,410 --> 00:28:17,120
know that unless that person was still

632
00:28:22,270 --> 00:28:20,420
living in reincarnation there isn't that

633
00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:22,280
you're either saying I think you were

634
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:26,630
something before or not though can I can

635
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:30,530
i but in there for a baby and I want to

636
00:28:33,790 --> 00:28:32,210
return to this topic that we're talking

637
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:33,800
about with reincarnation but I want to

638
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:35,450
return to it in a minute because I want

639
00:28:38,830 --> 00:28:37,250
to switch gears for a minute because

640
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:38,840
you've talked about something here that

641
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:41,210
is really important to me and that is

642
00:28:46,930 --> 00:28:44,930
this whole topic of science and what

643
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:46,940
that means and I'm going to kind of call

644
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:48,380
you to task

645
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:50,610
something that you just said because

646
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:53,580
it's okay for anything and again in your

647
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:55,770
book you do an awesome job of talking

648
00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:57,810
about all this French air science you

649
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,380
know precognition julia mas bridge you

650
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:04,640
know and then the mediumship science

651
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:07,470
julie by show who's been honest both

652
00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:09,480
those people have been on this show and

653
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:11,790
done a fantastic job gary schwarz i

654
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:13,080
could go on and on but the number of

655
00:29:15,650 --> 00:29:14,220
people that you reference in the book

656
00:29:21,370 --> 00:29:15,660
who have been on the show and it's

657
00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:21,380
fantastic but I think one thing I would

658
00:29:28,550 --> 00:29:24,150
disagree with you about in terms of

659
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:28,560
science is we don't have to prove this

660
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:30,570
to science because we have to remember

661
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:33,690
science has completely dropped the ball

662
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,200
here they are mentally wrong about

663
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:39,600
almost everything because they don't

664
00:29:44,420 --> 00:29:41,970
understand consciousness and they've

665
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:44,430
driven their foot in the ground and

666
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:46,500
Takens to her position on consciousness

667
00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:49,020
that essentially says it's a product of

668
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:51,900
the brain which means let's be clear

669
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:54,450
it's an illusion and once you get

670
00:30:00,530 --> 00:29:57,720
question a wrong you're not allowed to

671
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:00,540
move to question BCD but none of them

672
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:02,970
are going to make any sense and what we

673
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:06,720
wind up in is where we in in people like

674
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:10,020
yourself who are in this expanded view

675
00:30:15,670 --> 00:30:12,810
of consciousness are referencing science

676
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:15,680
that has spent its whole time as a

677
00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:21,120
counterpoint to what this goofy

678
00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:24,150
scientific Creed is when we explain that

679
00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:27,500
for a minute so Julie by shalls' work is

680
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,350
fantastic right so she decided that

681
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:34,080
there's all this smoke around mediums

682
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:36,690
and whether mediums are really doing

683
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:38,310
what they say they're doing and she

684
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:40,710
sought to test that so she set up this

685
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:43,140
double-blind triple blind quadruple

686
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:45,510
blind experiment and she proved that

687
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:47,880
statistically mediums do return

688
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:51,000
information that can't be explained by

689
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:53,490
any other means but that's merely a

690
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:55,830
counter point to all this skeptical

691
00:31:00,200 --> 00:30:57,810
nonsense that we've had to put up with

692
00:31:01,610 --> 00:31:00,210
for years that says that none of this

693
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:01,620
could possibly happen

694
00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:04,170
because we have this dorky idea of what

695
00:31:08,390 --> 00:31:06,390
the brain is and now I don't want to

696
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:08,400
repeat the same thing with reincarnation

697
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:11,280
no it's not that we can't prove

698
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:14,580
reincarnation and Stevenson proved it he

699
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:16,650
proved it in the sense that he shifts

700
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:19,080
the burden of proof to anyone who says

701
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:21,150
that reincarnation isn't true they've

702
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:22,980
published enough good solid

703
00:31:29,420 --> 00:31:25,050
peer-reviewed data that the Occam's

704
00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:29,430
razor now cuts on behalf of the reality

705
00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:32,760
of reincarnation so I think we have to

706
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:35,040
get out of this rut in the road where we

707
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:37,710
go where we bow down to science and say

708
00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:39,929
Oh science you've been wrong so many

709
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:42,870
times but please let me convince you

710
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:45,660
once I'm here that I'm right that's not

711
00:31:50,030 --> 00:31:47,820
the game we should be playing the game

712
00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:50,040
we should be playing is to say okay you

713
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:52,350
guys have been wrong that's okay let's

714
00:31:55,910 --> 00:31:54,059
take your tools let's take your

715
00:31:59,650 --> 00:31:55,920
techniques and let's see if we can

716
00:32:02,900 --> 00:31:59,660
catapult you to the next level of truly

717
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:02,910
understanding what this means what is

718
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:05,880
the meaning of reincarnation in terms of

719
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:07,050
our larger understanding of

720
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:09,980
consciousness what is the meaning of

721
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:12,690
after death communication what is the

722
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:14,940
meaning of mediumship how do all these

723
00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:17,940
pieces fit together but I can't I went

724
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:20,360
on this huge rant but I just cannot

725
00:32:26,419 --> 00:32:23,580
continue to bow down to these nitwits

726
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:26,429
who have failed as time and time again

727
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:29,070
and have failed the first fundamental

728
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:32,700
question of consciousness is an illusion

729
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:35,460
they're wrong and there's just we don't

730
00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:37,410
even have to play any games about it

731
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:39,900
now and I totally agree with you so you

732
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:41,850
know this is why I in my book I'm

733
00:32:45,260 --> 00:32:43,620
challenged and even the people who are

734
00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:45,270
reading it who a spiritualist because

735
00:32:49,790 --> 00:32:47,640
I'm saying the same thing we have this

736
00:32:51,860 --> 00:32:49,800
idea that we need to make sure that

737
00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:51,870
we're proving everything which I do

738
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:54,600
still believe is very valuable to the

739
00:32:58,220 --> 00:32:56,340
client sitting in front of me in order

740
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:58,230
for them to trust that there's something

741
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:00,360
more it kind of needs and for myself I

742
00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:02,520
needed to see it play out and prove

743
00:33:09,610 --> 00:33:06,390
itself you know there is it is valid to

744
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:09,620
follow a process of scrutiny and

745
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:13,140
analyzing and logic it is but I'm

746
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:15,000
totally on board with what you

747
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:17,100
saying you know we don't understand

748
00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:19,710
consciousness and therefore even the

749
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:21,780
Spiritualist needs to be able to own

750
00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:24,210
their experience and say look there is

751
00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:26,400
the science there is the research here

752
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:29,190
suggesting something else maybe we need

753
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:31,620
to know own our own experiences and stop

754
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:34,410
worrying about that you know say well I

755
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:38,910
am experiencing you know a intelligence

756
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:41,610
talking about a previous existence or a

757
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:43,620
simultaneous existence or something

758
00:33:47,270 --> 00:33:45,810
along those lines and stand up for that

759
00:33:49,550 --> 00:33:47,280
that's what I'm trying to do in the book

760
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:49,560
and with you I'm fed up with it too

761
00:33:54,740 --> 00:33:52,980
well yeah and you do it you know a

762
00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:54,750
wonderful job because we all can't just

763
00:33:59,300 --> 00:33:57,030
be raging against the machine but I just

764
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:59,310
stood there for a minute and and you're

765
00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:01,740
taking a more level-headed approach I

766
00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:04,350
would just kind of take that one step

767
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:07,470
further though and I think you and other

768
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:10,290
people who are doing the kind of really

769
00:34:14,659 --> 00:34:12,899
thoughtful work and not just thoughtful

770
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,669
in that you're in service to other

771
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:16,740
people but thoughtful in terms of

772
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:19,169
analyzing trying to figure out and

773
00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:21,540
understand your experience I think you

774
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:24,200
need to be emboldened to take an even

775
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:27,270
stronger stance and saying the science

776
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:31,800
is on my side because science is on your

777
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:34,290
side and I think we have to stop being

778
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:36,450
in the defensive position and saying I

779
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:39,450
don't know why you have a skeptical

780
00:34:45,260 --> 00:34:42,659
lobotomy in your head to the skeptics I

781
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,270
don't know why you believe weird things

782
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:47,040
and no matter how much evidence is

783
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,820
presented to you you can't overcome your

784
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:53,760
belief system I don't know but I'm not

785
00:35:00,730 --> 00:34:57,000
going to play that game because the game

786
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:00,740
is over science is on my side

787
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:04,710
consciousness is more we are more and

788
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:06,900
there's this larger picture that we have

789
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:09,420
to understand so I totally applaud where

790
00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:10,200
you're coming from

791
00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:12,030
and I think that's what I'm trying to

792
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,350
get gently using in the book I'm trying

793
00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:19,520
to educate my readers so that they see

794
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,830
how much science is there I do not

795
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:24,960
believe once you actually look at the

796
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:27,480
research in this field and see the

797
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:28,790
credible

798
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:31,310
intelligent Minds behind it that you

799
00:35:35,830 --> 00:35:33,170
could possibly come away and say I still

800
00:35:37,810 --> 00:35:35,840
absolutely no there's nothing to me you

801
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,820
are you then not read that you've not

802
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:39,680
since we've just dismissed it because

803
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:42,710
it's it's there and it's it's keeping me

804
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:44,600
the courage to stand up and own my

805
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:47,810
truths because you know culturally I'm

806
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:51,110
fed up with you know I was on the radio

807
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:53,090
here in the UK going around the world in

808
00:35:57,340 --> 00:35:54,530
the week I've spread out with the first

809
00:35:59,230 --> 00:35:57,350
question always being well how can you

810
00:36:01,330 --> 00:35:59,240
not prove your fraudulent you know it's

811
00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:01,340
the first thing that always comes up and

812
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:03,230
I just want to say Oh God can we just

813
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:06,080
get past that ladies you know I'm not

814
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:08,810
fraudulent that is an easier argument

815
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:11,210
from that from the cynical point of view

816
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:13,310
just to ban that out there all diluted

817
00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:16,640
they're all frauds you know and the book

818
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,950
tries to show here and here and here and

819
00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:20,240
here go away and have a look for

820
00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:21,950
yourself and then come back and tell me

821
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:26,990
that I am deluded I'm not okay very good

822
00:36:31,570 --> 00:36:28,300
well done

823
00:36:34,090 --> 00:36:31,580
Claire I'm gonna bring you back okay the

824
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:34,100
board where would you like to go next or

825
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:37,970
some good juicy ones in there light and

826
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:42,410
dark let's do it this is a tough one I

827
00:36:47,290 --> 00:36:44,030
think it's a tough one for a lot of

828
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:47,300
people and you know I mentioned to you I

829
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:49,130
don't know if this got on the air and

830
00:36:55,810 --> 00:36:52,430
the brief chat we had before but this is

831
00:36:57,610 --> 00:36:55,820
a question that has kept coming up for

832
00:36:59,290 --> 00:36:57,620
me through skeptic oh not so much

833
00:37:04,710 --> 00:36:59,300
personally because I've never been

834
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:04,720
someone who's drawn to the dark but I am

835
00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:07,520
intrigued by the argument that people

836
00:37:13,810 --> 00:37:11,000
make that there's this there is the dark

837
00:37:17,230 --> 00:37:13,820
and everything's gray and maybe we

838
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:17,240
shouldn't be so all light and love kind

839
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:20,960
of thing your book really touched me in

840
00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:23,690
my heart but also for me and for a lot

841
00:37:27,610 --> 00:37:24,950
of guys you have to reach me

842
00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:27,620
intellectually in order to get that

843
00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:30,590
heart that's buried in there and I

844
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:32,660
thought you did an awesome job of

845
00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:37,450
talking about how you can both recognize

846
00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:41,260
the dark acknowledge the dark

847
00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:44,350
and yet understand that the mission is

848
00:37:50,970 --> 00:37:46,750
to transcend that darkness and that

849
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:50,980
that's kind of okay so where do you want

850
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:54,400
to start with unraveling this really

851
00:37:59,070 --> 00:37:57,609
really big topic well I think the best

852
00:38:01,020 --> 00:37:59,080
place to start for people for the

853
00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:01,030
everyday person listening to you know

854
00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:03,220
who is at least accepting that

855
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:06,430
consciousness is a continuum and that

856
00:38:14,010 --> 00:38:12,130
there is dissing Carnot beings maybe I

857
00:38:16,050 --> 00:38:14,020
mean what you say but that's you know

858
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:16,060
the best way I can put it out there then

859
00:38:21,570 --> 00:38:18,130
the next thing is people start to fear

860
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:21,580
it so I think tackling the fear is the

861
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:25,720
first thing because anytime in this work

862
00:38:31,859 --> 00:38:29,650
I tend to think like him I put it back

863
00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:31,869
to how things are here anytime we bring

864
00:38:37,859 --> 00:38:34,540
fear to what we do in our lives here we

865
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:37,869
don't have a great experience we pull

866
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:40,060
ourselves down we become depressed

867
00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:42,190
perhaps we you know if we're anxious

868
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:44,740
anxiety you know we become absolute

869
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:47,310
sometimes we can't even move we're

870
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:50,230
stifled from the anxiety and fear in our

871
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:53,410
lives and more and more people are and

872
00:39:01,560 --> 00:38:57,850
so really for me the dark is those

873
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:01,570
emotions that stop us experiencing the

874
00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:04,450
highest expression of ourselves and some

875
00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:08,080
people enjoy that power that they have

876
00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:11,859
over somebody else in this world and I

877
00:39:16,410 --> 00:39:14,950
believe that in the spiritual dimensions

878
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:16,420
if you want to use it like that

879
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:19,330
the non-physical dimensions there is the

880
00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:22,450
same opportunistic intelligence they're

881
00:39:30,359 --> 00:39:26,200
seeking power enjoyment fulfillment off

882
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:30,369
of people's lower emotions and I get

883
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:33,010
that and we all get that I think the

884
00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:36,910
problem the issue where it gets grey is

885
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:42,300
that you live in the UK and it's gray

886
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:44,770
Aleister Crowley who I just had up on

887
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:49,090
the screen worked for mi6 right he was a

888
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:50,980
spy he worked for the government

889
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:53,890
weak moment us and it's the same thing

890
00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:54,970
you know

891
00:40:00,840 --> 00:39:57,550
whether it's Parsons in the desert along

892
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:00,850
with Crowley or whether it's you know

893
00:40:07,610 --> 00:40:03,550
the secret society whether it's the pedo

894
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:07,620
Pope I mean the this idea that that

895
00:40:14,070 --> 00:40:11,890
people are choosing the dark to you know

896
00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:14,080
just dominate someone we get that and we

897
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:15,340
can all point at that and shame that

898
00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:17,800
what I think is more challenging to

899
00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:20,140
people as they say this is the nature of

900
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:23,320
things the nature is that we're all

901
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:25,450
going through this world and we're all

902
00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:29,680
constantly being balancing the light and

903
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:31,390
the dark and then I think people

904
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:33,790
rightfully go one step further and they

905
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:37,210
say you're so light who-who is all light

906
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:39,970
in love and let's deconstruct them and I

907
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:46,380
not-so-great shadow

908
00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:51,010
stuff in that so I agree how do we that

909
00:40:55,650 --> 00:40:52,780
that's what I thought your book did is

910
00:40:59,730 --> 00:40:55,660
it kind of said yes this is a natural

911
00:41:01,980 --> 00:40:59,740
part of all of us but is this our

912
00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:01,990
mission what is our mission how does the

913
00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:04,780
darkness fit in our mission and if you

914
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:05,470
think

915
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:08,830
darkness is part of your mission you

916
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:11,770
give me pause to rethink how I might

917
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:13,930
understand that do you get where I'm

918
00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:16,330
going with that I do I understand

919
00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:18,550
exactly for me I believe that

920
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:20,920
consciousness is evolving all the time

921
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:24,970
and in order to be able to evolve and we

922
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:26,910
are doing that we are the universe

923
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:30,040
conscious of itself that we have to

924
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:34,150
choose or reach upwards towards higher

925
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:36,730
emotion I don't actually believe I don't

926
00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:38,710
believe even Aleister Crowley thought

927
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:40,600
for everything he was doing with pure

928
00:41:45,390 --> 00:41:43,180
evil most people are doing something

929
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:45,400
because they feel it's the right course

930
00:41:51,330 --> 00:41:47,770
of action you know he was coming about

931
00:41:53,790 --> 00:41:51,340
his accurately because his parents he

932
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:53,800
had a great parenting you know complex

933
00:41:58,920 --> 00:41:56,170
relationship with his mom he was he was

934
00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:58,930
fighting back against control he was

935
00:42:04,410 --> 00:42:00,910
prepared he wanted to just be able to do

936
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:04,420
what he wanted you know he wasn't he it

937
00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:08,890
was complex and so so and so is

938
00:42:13,230 --> 00:42:11,560
the evolution of things it isn't so you

939
00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:13,240
know that we suddenly move into a

940
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:14,920
heavenly state of being and everything

941
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:17,320
is all wonderful and how boring would

942
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:19,090
that be I mean I tried to sit in the

943
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:21,010
cloud plucking an instrument all day

944
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:24,610
long for eternity you know no that's not

945
00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:28,270
what life is life is both things it's

946
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:29,350
interesting that so I'm going to go

947
00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:31,030
somewhere you know maybe this is

948
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:32,830
controversial but somebody said to me

949
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:35,230
the other day you do believe God is evil

950
00:42:38,850 --> 00:42:37,330
then because I was saying the same thing

951
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:38,860
I there's light and dark in all of us

952
00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:41,940
it's a choice you know the suffering

953
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:45,100
helps us grow we have a choice we are

954
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:47,170
the choose to stay in it or we choose to

955
00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:48,850
move forward from it and whether we do

956
00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:50,500
that in this world or we do it in the

957
00:42:57,060 --> 00:42:53,470
next life you know the choice is ours

958
00:43:00,000 --> 00:42:57,070
and so you know and I have to say that

959
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:00,010
perhaps if there is a you know universal

960
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:01,570
consciousness or as someone put it the

961
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:03,670
other day quantum consciousness then

962
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:07,030
perhaps it's all of that and we have the

963
00:43:13,770 --> 00:43:10,090
choice to swing between all aspects of

964
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:13,780
that spectrum and and experience all

965
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:16,570
levels of it and so therefore when you

966
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:20,050
stand back you know I know evil exists

967
00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:24,190
I've experienced it but you know can do

968
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,900
I have to get stuck in it though I have

969
00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:28,000
to be identified with it do I have to be

970
00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:30,040
ruled by it do i have to fear it no i

971
00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:33,160
don't i don't and i can move myself away

972
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:34,630
from it so i write in the book about

973
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:37,960
intense it's all about intention and

974
00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:40,810
then when you are owning your own power

975
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:42,700
owning your own mind and your own

976
00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:44,710
intention you move away it has no

977
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:47,950
control over you anymore that's awesome

978
00:43:53,070 --> 00:43:50,140
you know the way i love it is the way

979
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:53,080
one of my spiritual teachers told me is

980
00:44:01,980 --> 00:43:56,200
the secret of the ascent is to always

981
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:01,990
look up so and I love how you kind of

982
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:03,960
brought that home in a way in terms of

983
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:07,330
yes we have to acknowledge the darkness

984
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:09,490
I think you know because otherwise we

985
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:13,210
get caught up in cultish activities for

986
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:16,770
one in one way or we get caught up in

987
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:20,590
kind of being my optic or closed off not

988
00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:22,270
even open to what other

989
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:24,040
people are experiencing and suffering

990
00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:25,690
that's another way that we can do that

991
00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:28,600
but what you brought home clearly in

992
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:31,180
your readings and in your work because

993
00:44:34,590 --> 00:44:32,800
you talked about your work with the

994
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:34,600
clients and the people that come see you

995
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:39,280
is that what if it's about raising the

996
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:41,970
moment that's in front of you and

997
00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:46,410
transforming that moment to a higher

998
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:49,840
state and that's what came through and I

999
00:44:54,810 --> 00:44:53,140
thought yes what if that is what it's

1000
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:54,820
about and then doesn't that kind of

1001
00:45:00,750 --> 00:44:57,970
universally fit with all this so whether

1002
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,760
it's Alistair Crowley or I think the

1003
00:45:04,290 --> 00:45:02,800
other image I had up on the screen where

1004
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:04,300
the the Memphis Three

1005
00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:07,330
and the satanic panic which wasn't

1006
00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:09,790
really a satanic panic but really some

1007
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:12,190
kids that were into satanic practices

1008
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:14,710
for whatever reason what if the whole

1009
00:45:19,830 --> 00:45:17,260
thing is about reaching that moment and

1010
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:19,840
then transmuting that moment into

1011
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:21,490
something higher that's what I took away

1012
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:23,890
from your book yeah that's how I see it

1013
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,700
that is encapsulated it beautifully you

1014
00:45:34,770 --> 00:45:30,160
know II I find that when you look at

1015
00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:34,780
fear power the the dark side

1016
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:37,060
it disappears because it no longer holds

1017
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:40,390
power over you and then you can then

1018
00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:44,140
start to reach up to something more

1019
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:48,520
joyful well you know to me some of my

1020
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:51,760
darkest moments or my most painful

1021
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:54,130
experiences and they've always been a

1022
00:46:02,610 --> 00:45:58,330
battle of my mind have led to my most

1023
00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:02,620
empowered choices and Freedoms because

1024
00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:05,140
I've decided that I am not letting my

1025
00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:08,680
life be defined by that it takes a lot

1026
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:12,520
of guts courage and a lot of people get

1027
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,650
stuck in not being able to do that but

1028
00:46:19,590 --> 00:46:17,440
when you actually face that clear and

1029
00:46:22,110 --> 00:46:19,600
with spirit communication there's a lot

1030
00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:22,120
of fear around it you realize that that

1031
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:25,120
that no longer holds any power so I have

1032
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:28,690
nothing to fear about it you know I do

1033
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:31,330
believe the dark can like coexist you're

1034
00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:33,640
talking about duality you know at one

1035
00:46:36,089 --> 00:46:35,230
level of our reality there's definitely

1036
00:46:38,099 --> 00:46:36,099
duality

1037
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:38,109
you can look at what's going on in the

1038
00:46:42,209 --> 00:46:40,150
world now you know and people feel like

1039
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:42,219
the world's literally you know go into

1040
00:46:48,059 --> 00:46:46,180
the dogs but I'm I'm not the viewpoint

1041
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:48,069
that then the pendulum swings back the

1042
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:50,049
other way and once we decide hey that

1043
00:46:54,449 --> 00:46:52,150
hasn't worked we shuffle back the other

1044
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:54,459
way you know may take a bit of time but

1045
00:47:00,239 --> 00:46:57,130
we do this dance and and as we do that

1046
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:00,249
we grow we learn we evolve we transcend

1047
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,130
to me that's what it's about into ever

1048
00:47:07,529 --> 00:47:05,440
higher and higher states of being and

1049
00:47:09,539 --> 00:47:07,539
that's what I take from those in the

1050
00:47:12,209 --> 00:47:09,549
spirit who have come from higher states

1051
00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:12,219
of awareness they've communicated that

1052
00:47:17,249 --> 00:47:14,430
that's what they've done they're

1053
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:17,259
transforming ever higher into higher

1054
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:20,079
states of being into bliss or you know

1055
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:22,150
if we ever get there and even if we do

1056
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:23,890
do we want to stay there I mean that

1057
00:47:33,469 --> 00:47:28,089
becomes dull great where should we go

1058
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:33,479
next let's go to hire old beings heads

1059
00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:36,880
right so one of the things that you

1060
00:47:43,319 --> 00:47:40,180
talked about in the book again you kind

1061
00:47:45,989 --> 00:47:43,329
of I feel like you're kind of telling

1062
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:45,999
the medium secrets if you will you know

1063
00:47:50,009 --> 00:47:48,249
I mean you have so much information out

1064
00:47:52,439 --> 00:47:50,019
there that you won't find other places

1065
00:47:54,749 --> 00:47:52,449
and you don't say that this is

1066
00:47:57,089 --> 00:47:54,759
categorically the only answer it is from

1067
00:47:59,370 --> 00:47:57,099
your experience but I do get the sense

1068
00:48:01,620 --> 00:47:59,380
that you've studied this and thought

1069
00:48:03,749 --> 00:48:01,630
about this and are open minded about

1070
00:48:05,699 --> 00:48:03,759
this because I gotta remember we're

1071
00:48:08,459 --> 00:48:05,709
going to return to reincarnation because

1072
00:48:11,279 --> 00:48:08,469
it is a case in point of where you

1073
00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:11,289
reached this block and then pushed

1074
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:14,380
through it so let's return to

1075
00:48:19,439 --> 00:48:17,410
reincarnation in a minute but the things

1076
00:48:22,469 --> 00:48:19,449
that you talked about in terms of heb is

1077
00:48:25,799 --> 00:48:22,479
your acronym for higher evolved beings

1078
00:48:27,749 --> 00:48:25,809
but you lay out the whole gamut here you

1079
00:48:30,959 --> 00:48:27,759
know spirits spirit guides ascended

1080
00:48:32,939 --> 00:48:30,969
masters angels God you know you don't

1081
00:48:34,469 --> 00:48:32,949
talk about it specifically but I want to

1082
00:48:37,939 --> 00:48:34,479
add it to the list you know The Hungry

1083
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:37,949
Ghost you know this spirit entity that

1084
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:41,170
we understand the evil on this side we

1085
00:48:45,449 --> 00:48:43,089
understand the people who seek darkness

1086
00:48:47,819 --> 00:48:45,459
and seek that state of confusion that

1087
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:47,829
feeds into their own confusion in their

1088
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:48,790
own

1089
00:48:54,270 --> 00:48:52,450
the negative energy but we don't

1090
00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:54,280
understand how that can happen on the

1091
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,260
other side and then the trickster is

1092
00:49:01,200 --> 00:48:58,960
even something different that we don't

1093
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:01,210
understand we understand it again here

1094
00:49:08,010 --> 00:49:04,720
why people kind of deceive in a fun

1095
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:08,020
playful way that doesn't seem so fun and

1096
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:10,390
playful but they do so I've kind of

1097
00:49:15,690 --> 00:49:12,670
covered a lot of topics in this category

1098
00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:15,700
here but anywhere you want to start with

1099
00:49:21,090 --> 00:49:19,300
the higher evolved beings to the lower

1100
00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:21,100
evolved beings would be great

1101
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:24,100
sure I think I think the thing is for me

1102
00:49:28,380 --> 00:49:26,590
I always have to keep coming back to the

1103
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:28,390
word consciousness which is going to

1104
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:30,040
become like the word mindfulness the

1105
00:49:37,260 --> 00:49:31,330
problem that we're all just fed up with

1106
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:37,270
there in that word loses its meaning in

1107
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:39,330
the end because what is consciousness

1108
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:42,510
but for me I feel that these are

1109
00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:47,440
archetypal descriptions of different

1110
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:50,230
levels of awareness that's the way I'm

1111
00:49:55,110 --> 00:49:52,210
going to put it or different states of

1112
00:49:58,020 --> 00:49:55,120
existence or states of being so it seems

1113
00:50:00,450 --> 00:49:58,030
like I talked about in the book spirit

1114
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:00,460
Guardians and spirit guides so you know

1115
00:50:05,540 --> 00:50:03,090
a spirit guardian seems to be a

1116
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:05,550
intelligence that has had a physical

1117
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,650
incarnation that has some understanding

1118
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:10,480
worth like to be in physical form here

1119
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:13,210
and is wanting to reach out or reach

1120
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:15,790
back whatever forward whatever way we

1121
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:17,110
want to look at this whole time thing

1122
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:21,850
and to help others through experience

1123
00:50:26,250 --> 00:50:24,310
because we all know how good it feels

1124
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:26,260
when we help someone else it lifts us

1125
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:28,810
into higher feelings of happiness about

1126
00:50:32,670 --> 00:50:30,070
ourselves they feel good about ourselves

1127
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:32,680
it's the same thing they're reaching out

1128
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:34,660
to others here because it makes them

1129
00:50:40,050 --> 00:50:36,760
feel good you know there's a benefit to

1130
00:50:42,180 --> 00:50:40,060
them so guardians are spirit

1131
00:50:44,340 --> 00:50:42,190
intelligences spirit beings who walk

1132
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:44,350
with us through life and spirit guides

1133
00:50:48,930 --> 00:50:46,030
seem to be teachers that come in at

1134
00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:48,940
certain moments of time when we may need

1135
00:50:53,790 --> 00:50:51,670
them so for instance as a surgeon may

1136
00:50:55,590 --> 00:50:53,800
benefit from receiving some help or

1137
00:50:57,930 --> 00:50:55,600
guidance from spirit side of life but

1138
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:57,940
they don't need it all the time the help

1139
00:51:02,020 --> 00:50:59,290
is just there for the time they're

1140
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:02,030
working and then I move on to

1141
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:04,250
well higher evolved beings you know

1142
00:51:09,730 --> 00:51:06,050
there seems to be I don't believe

1143
00:51:12,490 --> 00:51:09,740
there's a it implies there's a sort of

1144
00:51:14,050 --> 00:51:12,500
hierarchy and I don't believe that's the

1145
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:14,060
case I just think there are different

1146
00:51:20,530 --> 00:51:16,670
states of being but a higher evolved

1147
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:20,540
being to me is some intelligence that

1148
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:22,430
could have been on this world in you

1149
00:51:26,830 --> 00:51:24,170
know in Carnac and this planet or on

1150
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:26,840
other planets out there let's face it

1151
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:29,930
it's a big universe multiple universe

1152
00:51:35,410 --> 00:51:33,770
multiple dimensions um and actually what

1153
00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:35,420
is a spirit person they're certainly not

1154
00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:38,180
living on earth so you know they could

1155
00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:41,030
be deemed as a higher evolved being or

1156
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:45,230
even alien you know extraterrestrial

1157
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:46,370
however you want to put it they're not

1158
00:51:52,990 --> 00:51:50,110
physical form they're not a human being

1159
00:51:55,180 --> 00:51:53,000
so you know I talk about higher evolved

1160
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:55,190
beings as other intelligences out there

1161
00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:56,210
in the universe that we don't

1162
00:51:59,980 --> 00:51:58,070
necessarily understand but they do creep

1163
00:52:02,050 --> 00:51:59,990
into mediumship you hear channel is

1164
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:02,060
talking about them you know they make

1165
00:52:05,770 --> 00:52:04,250
themselves known again if it's frequency

1166
00:52:07,210 --> 00:52:05,780
of communications happening on a

1167
00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:07,220
frequency why not

1168
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:10,190
same with angels I was I'm not religious

1169
00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:13,130
so I dismissed the idea of angels for

1170
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:16,550
years why would a being with wings that

1171
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,310
wasn't even physical need wings why

1172
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:21,680
would it need a halo you know it didn't

1173
00:52:26,430 --> 00:52:23,510
make any sense to me it was a mythical

1174
00:52:30,820 --> 00:52:26,440
creature in amongst the myth of

1175
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:30,830
mysticism of a spiritual text until it

1176
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:34,670
was I came across a pure being of light

1177
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:37,850
and intelligence that clearly had not

1178
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:40,730
existed in our physical world before you

1179
00:52:46,660 --> 00:52:44,630
know so I grapple with it all I don't

1180
00:52:49,810 --> 00:52:46,670
just accept it all to me I need to

1181
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:49,820
experience it first but for sure there

1182
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,210
are other intelligences and I know that

1183
00:52:57,460 --> 00:52:55,520
much and I think it would be arrogant to

1184
00:52:59,710 --> 00:52:57,470
just assume that it's only human beings

1185
00:53:03,040 --> 00:52:59,720
who are conscious that can exist

1186
00:53:06,090 --> 00:53:03,050
you know we're limiting ourselves in my

1187
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:06,100
viewpoint you know even animals go on

1188
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:09,110
yeah but that's great and you covered so

1189
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:12,530
much there I reluctant to even dive in

1190
00:53:17,490 --> 00:53:14,420
deeper because we just keep going and

1191
00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:19,930
is a good one to make sure we cover

1192
00:53:24,910 --> 00:53:22,550
isn't it yeah dude let's do talk about

1193
00:53:27,849 --> 00:53:24,920
the tricksters and I think The Hungry

1194
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:27,859
Ghost thing is very interesting because

1195
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:32,770
we we just it further complicates our

1196
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:35,450
understanding and it raises this fear

1197
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:39,680
factor again in terms of if that can

1198
00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:43,010
happen in the spiritual realm that seems

1199
00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:48,200
to be so powerful then what what am i

1200
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,190
the mere human well that's where I want

1201
00:53:56,799 --> 00:53:54,559
to stop you there Alex you know this is

1202
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:56,809
the whole mission behind what I'm doing

1203
00:54:01,630 --> 00:54:00,559
is to change the idea that people hold

1204
00:54:05,049 --> 00:54:01,640
about themselves

1205
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:05,059
we're not mere human beings we have

1206
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:06,890
something much more awesome than that

1207
00:54:13,059 --> 00:54:10,210
this physical experience this temporary

1208
00:54:16,990 --> 00:54:13,069
form that I've taken as you said earlier

1209
00:54:18,819 --> 00:54:17,000
isn't even real at the quantum level you

1210
00:54:20,530 --> 00:54:18,829
know it's all smoke and mirrors I'm

1211
00:54:23,170 --> 00:54:20,540
sitting here now for all I know and

1212
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,180
could be ghostly you know I'm told that

1213
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:25,280
even though I'm taking this form I'm not

1214
00:54:29,740 --> 00:54:27,049
even really here I'm just potential at

1215
00:54:32,740 --> 00:54:29,750
the quantum level you know so we are

1216
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:32,750
much more than just mere human beings we

1217
00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:36,710
are there already right now and so why

1218
00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:39,230
would I need to fear something if I'm

1219
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:40,910
already it I think we give our power

1220
00:54:45,940 --> 00:54:44,089
away even to guides and teachers we give

1221
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:45,950
our power away we need to understand

1222
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,410
that we are just as valuable and just as

1223
00:54:53,319 --> 00:54:51,200
much a part of everything as they are so

1224
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:53,329
the tricks of spirits I think comes down

1225
00:54:59,099 --> 00:54:56,690
to the idea that we are no longer

1226
00:55:00,490 --> 00:54:59,109
sensing and being aware of our

1227
00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:00,500
environment anymore

1228
00:55:04,650 --> 00:55:01,900
and they're being opportunity

1229
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:04,660
opportunistic but I have never

1230
00:55:10,930 --> 00:55:07,730
experienced a trickster spirit I just

1231
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,940
have an experience is not in my as I

1232
00:55:15,099 --> 00:55:13,280
haven't experienced any evil contact

1233
00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:15,109
when spirit I feel the physical world

1234
00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:18,200
much more you know I'm not saying that I

1235
00:55:23,740 --> 00:55:20,900
haven't had some negative experiences I

1236
00:55:26,020 --> 00:55:23,750
have they're few and far between but

1237
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,030
it's really come down to my fear of what

1238
00:55:28,810 --> 00:55:27,680
happened and my interpretation of what

1239
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:28,820
happened my

1240
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:30,890
and imagination rather than the reality

1241
00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:34,160
of it beyond your imagination which you

1242
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:36,830
point out in the book is again and you

1243
00:55:42,670 --> 00:55:38,690
don't hold on to any of these ideas too

1244
00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:42,680
tightly because you're so open to all

1245
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:45,260
the complexity and as your spirit guide

1246
00:55:49,870 --> 00:55:47,710
says you know whitefeather the the

1247
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:49,880
unimaginable complexity that you can't

1248
00:55:53,830 --> 00:55:51,890
really wrap your arms around but what

1249
00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:53,840
you do come back to is this idea that

1250
00:56:00,640 --> 00:55:58,190
like drawers like you know and if you we

1251
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:00,650
hear that and and it's it can sound

1252
00:56:05,470 --> 00:56:03,680
again it can sound kind of cliche but

1253
00:56:08,260 --> 00:56:05,480
you make it more than that when you say

1254
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:08,270
you know really if you're out there and

1255
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:11,810
your intent is to transcend the

1256
00:56:18,310 --> 00:56:15,470
negativity then that has a tremendous

1257
00:56:21,130 --> 00:56:18,320
power that will lead you towards that

1258
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:21,140
this is what conclusion that's my

1259
00:56:26,650 --> 00:56:23,750
experience I used to be so frightened of

1260
00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:26,660
all of this and I have found that the

1261
00:56:33,310 --> 00:56:30,350
more I own my own self my own mental

1262
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:33,320
well-being my own ideas

1263
00:56:39,250 --> 00:56:36,770
you know I am happier content I'm flying

1264
00:56:40,450 --> 00:56:39,260
above all of that rubbish it doesn't

1265
00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:40,460
even touch me anymore

1266
00:56:46,330 --> 00:56:44,060
and you know it might sound trite it

1267
00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:46,340
doesn't mean it's not a universal law we

1268
00:56:52,570 --> 00:56:48,320
all understand that like attracts like

1269
00:56:56,140 --> 00:56:52,580
it happens in this world right we

1270
00:57:00,010 --> 00:56:56,150
experience it all the time in so many

1271
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:00,020
different ways I tell you what before we

1272
00:57:05,350 --> 00:57:03,050
get too short on time because I could

1273
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:05,360
talk for a long time I could use your

1274
00:57:09,790 --> 00:57:07,490
valuable time and talk for hours because

1275
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:09,800
people have to pick up this book because

1276
00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:12,200
we're scratching the surface and here is

1277
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,420
somebody who gives answers you're gonna

1278
00:57:18,670 --> 00:57:16,400
have questions you have questions like I

1279
00:57:20,890 --> 00:57:18,680
do I get to talk to Claire and get him

1280
00:57:22,990 --> 00:57:20,900
answered you get to read her book and

1281
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:23,000
get him answer I did want to return to

1282
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:25,670
the reincarnation thing and may have to

1283
00:57:30,610 --> 00:57:28,490
tell kind of the more expanded story

1284
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:30,620
because I thought it was phenomenal in

1285
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:32,690
the book everything that you talked

1286
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,490
about in terms of your doubts and then

1287
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:37,280
how those doubts were changed by your

1288
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:41,450
experience yeah so when I was a child I

1289
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:42,650
had a dream

1290
00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:45,970
I was about the age of three where I

1291
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:50,150
could I really experienced a nightmare

1292
00:57:55,029 --> 00:57:52,190
where I was I had my hands tied behind

1293
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:55,039
my back I was being stoned I could feel

1294
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,329
myself being stoned I could feel the

1295
00:58:00,190 --> 00:57:57,920
searing heat of the Sun I could feel

1296
00:58:02,349 --> 00:58:00,200
sand underneath my feet I have no idea

1297
00:58:05,470 --> 00:58:02,359
where I was other than I certainly

1298
00:58:08,650 --> 00:58:05,480
wasn't in England in the UK and and

1299
00:58:10,839 --> 00:58:08,660
there was a hole in the ground where

1300
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:10,849
there were snakes I was being pushed

1301
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:15,200
towards it and I fell into the snake pit

1302
00:58:21,809 --> 00:58:18,319
could feel the snake bite and it was

1303
00:58:24,670 --> 00:58:21,819
like I then emerged from a dark reality

1304
00:58:26,589 --> 00:58:24,680
I don't know how to say it but in the

1305
00:58:30,910 --> 00:58:26,599
dream it's like this fighting system

1306
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:30,920
merge into into normality and as I woke

1307
00:58:36,670 --> 00:58:34,970
her and and I was saying to my mother at

1308
00:58:38,769 --> 00:58:36,680
the time and she can remember it really

1309
00:58:41,049 --> 00:58:38,779
clearly still she'll back me up on this

1310
00:58:42,339 --> 00:58:41,059
I'm saying I just had a no no I just had

1311
00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:42,349
a bad dream and she sang up the

1312
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:44,660
nightmare no it wasn't it was we had

1313
00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:46,970
this huge debate because at that age I

1314
00:58:50,049 --> 00:58:49,160
couldn't even didn't even understand the

1315
00:58:53,739 --> 00:58:50,059
name of nightmare

1316
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:53,749
and but I accepted that as a dream for

1317
00:58:57,999 --> 00:58:56,210
many years until obviously I had the

1318
00:58:59,229 --> 00:58:58,009
experience to look back and start

1319
00:59:02,200 --> 00:58:59,239
questioning what is consciousness

1320
00:59:05,049 --> 00:59:02,210
because I started to realize him in this

1321
00:59:07,089 --> 00:59:05,059
that I was that would have been 1979

1322
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,099
something like that you know there was

1323
00:59:13,870 --> 00:59:10,400
no TV really in the UK there's a few

1324
00:59:15,579 --> 00:59:13,880
hours a day for children I was not old

1325
00:59:17,799 --> 00:59:15,589
enough to be allowed to watch anything

1326
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:17,809
past the watershed there was no YouTube

1327
00:59:23,799 --> 00:59:20,930
there was no on-demand viewing you know

1328
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:23,809
my I would not have been exposed to that

1329
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:26,720
and it started to make me question hang

1330
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:28,700
on how would I have even known about

1331
00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:31,130
that or had that fear and the thing

1332
00:59:36,579 --> 00:59:33,470
about that dream was it changed my life

1333
00:59:38,979 --> 00:59:36,589
instantly I had an instant fear of

1334
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:38,989
snakes so it changed my behavior in this

1335
00:59:44,259 --> 00:59:42,170
life straight off the bat then fast

1336
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:44,269
forward you know as the mediumship

1337
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:46,249
starts to come into play I spent a good

1338
00:59:50,979 --> 00:59:48,710
10 years developing this by the way so I

1339
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,989
am really racing forward you know I

1340
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:53,359
start to receive communications and from

1341
00:59:58,690 --> 00:59:56,410
spirit teachers telling me about free

1342
01:00:00,490 --> 00:59:58,700
experiences incarnations I'd had with

1343
01:00:04,810 --> 01:00:00,500
them that's why they're working with me

1344
01:00:07,570 --> 01:00:04,820
and then I go for a reading with a lady

1345
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:07,580
who's a shamanic healer and aura sensor

1346
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:10,850
and she starts to tell me about a past

1347
01:00:17,140 --> 01:00:13,610
life that I'd had that she could sense

1348
01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:17,150
that can I'm ever going to one thing in

1349
01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:20,260
the story that I found in yeah okay

1350
01:00:24,790 --> 01:00:22,760
again you cover all this in the book and

1351
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:24,800
you're trying to you know give us a good

1352
01:00:30,930 --> 01:00:28,610
short summary of it which oh that's okay

1353
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:30,940
what I found really interesting is you

1354
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,450
are really working at your mediumship

1355
01:00:39,790 --> 01:00:38,000
and you're sitting in circle or sitting

1356
01:00:42,310 --> 01:00:39,800
me trying does it work for you and

1357
01:00:45,610 --> 01:00:42,320
you're doing all this work and you're

1358
01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:45,620
drawn not towards reincarnation because

1359
01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:47,480
like you said you're kind of told well

1360
01:00:52,270 --> 01:00:49,340
don't really look there there's nothing

1361
01:00:55,180 --> 01:00:52,280
for you there so it really comes as kind

1362
01:00:57,700 --> 01:00:55,190
of a surprise that you would even go and

1363
01:00:59,710 --> 01:00:57,710
find this person who does this really

1364
01:01:02,700 --> 01:00:59,720
talk about kind of obscure in these

1365
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:02,710
realms you know this chakra energy

1366
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:06,310
healing kind of thing you were skeptical

1367
01:01:11,830 --> 01:01:10,310
going in I thought that was great I am

1368
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,840
and I think actually a lot of the

1369
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:14,000
mediums that you me any medium will tell

1370
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:15,530
you there has their skeptical of other

1371
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:17,930
mediums which we've been we have been

1372
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:20,570
sold this cultural thing even mediums

1373
01:01:24,370 --> 01:01:22,130
have that we've got to prove everything

1374
01:01:26,110 --> 01:01:24,380
we've got to be a certain level that no

1375
01:01:27,970 --> 01:01:26,120
other medium is good enough that they

1376
01:01:29,740 --> 01:01:27,980
were all frauds out there so we go in

1377
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:29,750
just like the general public worried

1378
01:01:33,730 --> 01:01:32,210
about oh my god we don't let our guard

1379
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:33,740
down we don't want to be deluded here

1380
01:01:38,190 --> 01:01:35,930
we've all bought into this ridiculous

1381
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:38,200
idea that we need to get rid of and

1382
01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:41,090
actually I didn't seek this medium out a

1383
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,750
client said to me you have reached a

1384
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:46,880
certain level of achievement where you

1385
01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:49,280
need to go and see this medium I'm going

1386
01:01:52,990 --> 01:01:50,630
to pay for you to go and have an

1387
01:01:55,110 --> 01:01:53,000
experience with as you can see the level

1388
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:55,120
at which you have now achieved and so

1389
01:01:59,860 --> 01:01:57,890
she booked me a session with her and

1390
01:02:02,980 --> 01:01:59,870
that was the revelation that she worked

1391
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:02,990
so differently and this is Cathy right

1392
01:02:09,550 --> 01:02:07,570
we should mention yes Cathy Mingo so she

1393
01:02:11,590 --> 01:02:09,560
so she yes

1394
01:02:15,580 --> 01:02:11,600
he started to tell me as she put her

1395
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:15,590
hands over my auric field all about my

1396
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:18,890
life now health issues I'd had things

1397
01:02:23,230 --> 01:02:20,330
that were going on with me that I

1398
01:02:25,570 --> 01:02:23,240
absolutely were knew were right now that

1399
01:02:27,070 --> 01:02:25,580
I couldn't question and then she started

1400
01:02:30,070 --> 01:02:27,080
to say to me you know you've come here

1401
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:30,080
to write I'm being shown a past life

1402
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:33,170
that is back in Samaria the significance

1403
01:02:37,870 --> 01:02:35,090
of it is the Sumerians were one of the

1404
01:02:39,490 --> 01:02:37,880
first people to leave writing and that

1405
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:39,500
you are being allowed to see this

1406
01:02:45,250 --> 01:02:42,410
because it it ties up with what's going

1407
01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:45,260
on with you now and then she described

1408
01:02:50,740 --> 01:02:48,380
you know a partnership I had in that

1409
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:50,750
life she described the people around me

1410
01:02:54,070 --> 01:02:52,310
and that life she said to me she didn't

1411
01:02:56,140 --> 01:02:54,080
know me from Adam you must be a medium

1412
01:02:59,110 --> 01:02:56,150
you because you were a seer in that life

1413
01:03:01,000 --> 01:02:59,120
and then she tells me my husband's name

1414
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:01,010
what my husband does how he's with me in

1415
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:03,170
this life the people that I'm sitting

1416
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:05,090
with all what they're doing now their

1417
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:07,610
jobs and everything and so I'm sorry is

1418
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:12,410
even more fantastic my trace through it

1419
01:03:21,610 --> 01:03:16,670
well you know it's it's cinema graphic

1420
01:03:26,020 --> 01:03:21,620
it's you are a priestess and a channeler

1421
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:26,030
or a medium in that community and you

1422
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:29,690
fall in love with the guard which is the

1423
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:32,330
male guard of the temple which is

1424
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:35,810
forbidden and that is the crime that you

1425
01:03:42,010 --> 01:03:38,210
commit that you're killed for I mean

1426
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:42,020
this stuff laid everything out you know

1427
01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:43,280
if you didn't lay the whole thing out

1428
01:03:48,490 --> 01:03:46,040
say hey you know I'm a medium four years

1429
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:48,500
old trained forever you know to try and

1430
01:03:52,350 --> 01:03:50,090
develop these gifts and then was

1431
01:03:54,790 --> 01:03:52,360
skeptical and then do this and then

1432
01:04:00,340 --> 01:03:54,800
helsing this you just clash on to that

1433
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:00,350
story you go come on even belief but I

1434
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:01,910
came through

1435
01:04:08,590 --> 01:04:06,650
recordings of it and and the thing is I

1436
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:08,600
was left with she tells me this

1437
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:11,150
fantastical story that even I am finding

1438
01:04:17,710 --> 01:04:14,960
hard to chew and but marries it up with

1439
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:17,720
the people in my life now that was the

1440
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:20,210
key thing so she didn't just tell me all

1441
01:04:22,779 --> 01:04:21,920
you fell in love with the god she tells

1442
01:04:25,059 --> 01:04:22,789
me in your mind

1443
01:04:27,459 --> 01:04:25,069
to the guard now and his name's this and

1444
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:27,469
his job sis and he looks like this and

1445
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:29,839
his sporting interests are this and you

1446
01:04:34,659 --> 01:04:32,089
were a seer and a priestess and you sat

1447
01:04:36,579 --> 01:04:34,669
in a triangle and you sit in a triangle

1448
01:04:38,349 --> 01:04:36,589
now and the people that you're with in

1449
01:04:40,689 --> 01:04:38,359
that life you're with here and once a

1450
01:04:42,609 --> 01:04:40,699
scientist and one skipped and you know

1451
01:04:44,739 --> 01:04:42,619
you left with this whole thing of hang

1452
01:04:48,459 --> 01:04:44,749
on a minute you know I can't accept that

1453
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:48,469
and throw that out now I have to either

1454
01:04:53,949 --> 01:04:51,650
accept it all or I have to say she was

1455
01:04:56,349 --> 01:04:53,959
wrong about my own husband's name and

1456
01:04:58,809 --> 01:04:56,359
his occupation and you know you just

1457
01:05:02,169 --> 01:04:58,819
can't so this is it I I had to surrender

1458
01:05:03,969 --> 01:05:02,179
and my low distal brain that's it that's

1459
01:05:05,140 --> 01:05:03,979
it I have a slide here and we probably

1460
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:05,150
won't get to because we have other great

1461
01:05:08,890 --> 01:05:06,529
stuff to talk about but that's what I

1462
01:05:10,359 --> 01:05:08,900
mean when I say skeptical lobotomy so if

1463
01:05:12,579 --> 01:05:10,369
you want to just take a skeptical

1464
01:05:15,609 --> 01:05:12,589
lobotomy at that point and say I have to

1465
01:05:17,529 --> 01:05:15,619
shut down here and just believe all

1466
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:17,539
sorts of crazy stuff and invent some

1467
01:05:21,789 --> 01:05:19,849
other way how all this other stuff can

1468
01:05:23,739 --> 01:05:21,799
be true but I can get hold onto my

1469
01:05:26,109 --> 01:05:23,749
belief system that none of this could

1470
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:26,119
possibly be true then you go do that but

1471
01:05:30,130 --> 01:05:28,249
you're not really engaged in the

1472
01:05:32,380 --> 01:05:30,140
conversation we don't have to treat you

1473
01:05:34,299 --> 01:05:32,390
like you're on a level playing field we

1474
01:05:36,699 --> 01:05:34,309
can just pat you on the head and send

1475
01:05:38,529 --> 01:05:36,709
you on your way if that's the skeptical

1476
01:05:41,069 --> 01:05:38,539
stance you take because the logical

1477
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:41,079
stance is exactly what you said which is

1478
01:05:48,219 --> 01:05:46,130
how can I accept the impossibility that

1479
01:05:50,620 --> 01:05:48,229
she would know all those things like you

1480
01:05:53,739 --> 01:05:50,630
said my husband's name but all that

1481
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:53,749
stuff and then reject the the rest it

1482
01:05:58,059 --> 01:05:55,130
doesn't make sense it doesn't mean that

1483
01:06:00,729 --> 01:05:58,069
you have to bring it in full you know

1484
01:06:03,489 --> 01:06:00,739
all in and completely embrace it and

1485
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:03,499
then make that the whole point of your

1486
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:06,079
life because you don't but not as being

1487
01:06:10,149 --> 01:06:08,089
you have to give it give it pause and

1488
01:06:11,919 --> 01:06:10,159
get off that rant a little bit because

1489
01:06:14,469 --> 01:06:11,929
it touches on something that I think is

1490
01:06:17,409 --> 01:06:14,479
important to me in the integrity that

1491
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:17,419
you bring to this that I see is it that

1492
01:06:23,739 --> 01:06:21,049
caused you to shift your practice and

1493
01:06:26,769 --> 01:06:23,749
how deals with other people and I found

1494
01:06:28,959 --> 01:06:26,779
that fascinating yeah because I had been

1495
01:06:31,809 --> 01:06:28,969
pigeon-holed even in my own training in

1496
01:06:34,899 --> 01:06:31,819
order to reach a high standard of

1497
01:06:36,580 --> 01:06:34,909
ability you know you know the code of

1498
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:36,590
conduct was strict which I'm very

1499
01:06:40,990 --> 01:06:38,480
be grateful for but there comes a point

1500
01:06:42,430 --> 01:06:41,000
even in that and this is where we get to

1501
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:42,440
earlier about the whole fact that

1502
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:44,570
spiritualist stumped them stealth even

1503
01:06:48,430 --> 01:06:46,310
sometimes because they're trying to be

1504
01:06:50,860 --> 01:06:48,440
like you say ticking the boxes of this

1505
01:06:54,340 --> 01:06:50,870
world rather than just letting the

1506
01:06:56,860 --> 01:06:54,350
process unfold I had to just allow my

1507
01:07:00,310 --> 01:06:56,870
own experiences to do the talking who

1508
01:07:02,530 --> 01:07:00,320
was I to say this isn't real and so

1509
01:07:05,290 --> 01:07:02,540
therefore I can't prove it so I'm not

1510
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:05,300
using you know I had to go with the flow

1511
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:07,880
and and I found that these higher

1512
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:10,400
evolved beings and intelligences were

1513
01:07:16,030 --> 01:07:13,490
wanting to communicate to some clients

1514
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:16,040
some clients need the ground-level stuff

1515
01:07:18,850 --> 01:07:17,330
you know you went to the shop the other

1516
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:18,860
day but read pair of shoes now than

1517
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:21,290
others to me that's boring now you know

1518
01:07:24,820 --> 01:07:23,450
are the clients wanted them i level

1519
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:24,830
stuff the deeper mean is the

1520
01:07:29,860 --> 01:07:27,140
philosophies for some answers like you

1521
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:29,870
say make sense of this please and so I

1522
01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:32,510
had cut myself off from receiving that

1523
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:36,020
in an effort to make sure I was credible

1524
01:07:41,050 --> 01:07:39,110
um you know we no one wants to be seen

1525
01:07:42,940 --> 01:07:41,060
as someone who's completely lost the

1526
01:07:47,650 --> 01:07:42,950
plot and not able to think anymore

1527
01:07:50,650 --> 01:07:47,660
you know I was trying to be in this

1528
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:50,660
world I was boxing myself in and I let

1529
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:53,110
go of that through that experience yes

1530
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:57,170
awesome let me pick the next category

1531
01:08:01,030 --> 01:07:58,640
because there's a topic that you

1532
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:01,040
mentioned that you want to cover and it

1533
01:08:05,230 --> 01:08:03,200
really really is an important topic and

1534
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:05,240
I'm glad that you brought it up that's

1535
01:08:13,570 --> 01:08:09,650
the topic of grief and again the the way

1536
01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:13,580
I've teed up this slide is much like

1537
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:16,190
your book you know the data and then the

1538
01:08:20,380 --> 01:08:17,870
experience and I want to interweave

1539
01:08:22,210 --> 01:08:20,390
those together because you mentioned in

1540
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,220
dr. Julie Bachelet the wind bridge

1541
01:08:26,380 --> 01:08:24,080
Institute and we both have a ton of

1542
01:08:27,940 --> 01:08:26,390
respect and love for Julie one of the

1543
01:08:32,130 --> 01:08:27,950
things I thought she did a wonderful job

1544
01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:32,140
of is diving into the grief issue and

1545
01:08:37,150 --> 01:08:34,940
just getting all up in the sciences

1546
01:08:39,220 --> 01:08:37,160
playing field and say okay I'll play by

1547
01:08:41,020 --> 01:08:39,230
your rules you have this thing you've

1548
01:08:43,630 --> 01:08:41,030
labeled out there and you call it grief

1549
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:43,640
and you say that people suffer from it

1550
01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:45,290
and you've measured it and then you've

1551
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:47,960
measured that how that can be alleviated

1552
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:49,970
in people and you've said we can give

1553
01:08:56,349 --> 01:08:50,210
them

1554
01:08:58,990 --> 01:08:56,359
but then I came along and showed with

1555
01:09:01,390 --> 01:08:59,000
the data with the peer-reviewed research

1556
01:09:03,729 --> 01:09:01,400
that I can give them a medium reading

1557
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:03,739
with a good medium and it's more

1558
01:09:09,010 --> 01:09:06,799
efficacious than your drugs it's more

1559
01:09:10,749 --> 01:09:09,020
efficacious than your talk therapy it's

1560
01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:10,759
more efficacious than both of them

1561
01:09:16,420 --> 01:09:14,270
combined and that's the data so you've

1562
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:16,430
got to own that data science which of

1563
01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:19,759
course they don't own and I've we have

1564
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:22,670
Claire here and what you bring to the

1565
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:25,279
table is to say I stand on the shoulders

1566
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:27,730
of all that but I saw also have these

1567
01:09:35,170 --> 01:09:31,839
experiences with people whose lives are

1568
01:09:38,740 --> 01:09:35,180
stuck and there they become transformed

1569
01:09:41,289 --> 01:09:38,750
because I'm able to help them in a way

1570
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:41,299
that you don't even totally understand a

1571
01:09:46,660 --> 01:09:43,730
lot of times but that seems to be part

1572
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:46,670
of what you're here to do so do you want

1573
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:49,670
to talk about the grief thing sure I

1574
01:09:55,209 --> 01:09:52,730
mean I think I'm so into me dr. Julie

1575
01:09:58,360 --> 01:09:55,219
Burchill actually with this in as much

1576
01:10:01,140 --> 01:09:58,370
as her focus her focus is very much on

1577
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:01,150
the therapeutic quality because

1578
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:05,110
mediumship for sure in my experience has

1579
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:09,110
transformative power not my power but it

1580
01:10:14,380 --> 01:10:11,810
has the ability to give a person and

1581
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:14,390
experience to give them permission to

1582
01:10:20,020 --> 01:10:17,690
move on in their lives so they get a lot

1583
01:10:22,209 --> 01:10:20,030
of people get stuck in griefs they feel

1584
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,219
but a lot of people come see me feel

1585
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:25,040
that if they move on in their life their

1586
01:10:29,709 --> 01:10:26,330
loved ones will think they've forgotten

1587
01:10:31,630 --> 01:10:29,719
them and what the mediumship shows is

1588
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:31,640
that know your loved ones are with you

1589
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,239
still they're experiencing your

1590
01:10:39,190 --> 01:10:37,040
experiences as you know we are all

1591
01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:39,200
connected here and that when you are

1592
01:10:45,610 --> 01:10:42,260
happy living a fulfilling life and

1593
01:10:49,180 --> 01:10:45,620
honoring them then you actually give

1594
01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:49,190
them something positive so the

1595
01:10:53,470 --> 01:10:51,590
therapeutic quality of mediumship with

1596
01:10:57,850 --> 01:10:53,480
the information that comes through and

1597
01:10:59,020 --> 01:10:57,860
then the philosophy if you like I'm

1598
01:11:03,100 --> 01:10:59,030
saying that's a more philosophical

1599
01:11:03,939 --> 01:11:03,110
outlook gives them a reason to be able

1600
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:03,949
to live again

1601
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:06,050
and you know there is a place for

1602
01:11:10,419 --> 01:11:07,910
counseling I make that clear in the book

1603
01:11:12,430 --> 01:11:10,429
they wrote I'm not a qualified counselor

1604
01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:12,440
I'm not able to deal with the real

1605
01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:15,080
problems of mental health I'm not

1606
01:11:18,130 --> 01:11:16,310
talking about that

1607
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:18,140
I'm talking about the everyday person

1608
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:21,290
who is suffering with grief who feels

1609
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:23,449
that they don't want to move on with

1610
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:25,850
their life because they are forgetting

1611
01:11:30,850 --> 01:11:28,640
their loved one they suddenly become to

1612
01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:30,860
realize that they don't need to that

1613
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:32,840
death doesn't end their life I mean

1614
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:34,489
sorry death ends our life it doesn't end

1615
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:36,410
a relationship that that relationship

1616
01:11:41,169 --> 01:11:38,510
with a loved one continues on and that

1617
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:41,179
their job now is to live well and fully

1618
01:11:46,270 --> 01:11:43,190
and I think that's where it has this

1619
01:11:50,169 --> 01:11:46,280
completely transformative quality that

1620
01:11:52,750 --> 01:11:50,179
counseling and medicine doesn't have you

1621
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:52,760
know maybe we could shift into some

1622
01:11:56,919 --> 01:11:54,590
practical advice here because you do

1623
01:11:58,750 --> 01:11:56,929
offer it in the book but we really need

1624
01:12:00,760 --> 01:11:58,760
to get this out here because no matter

1625
01:12:03,130 --> 01:12:00,770
how many times we think people have

1626
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:03,140
heard this there's people who encounter

1627
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:05,530
this and it hits them for the first time

1628
01:12:10,689 --> 01:12:08,570
someone is in that situation what they

1629
01:12:13,419 --> 01:12:10,699
say they're piqued their interest is

1630
01:12:15,340 --> 01:12:13,429
piqued by what you're saying how do they

1631
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:15,350
go about this how do they go about

1632
01:12:21,700 --> 01:12:19,010
making that connection with someone who

1633
01:12:23,950 --> 01:12:21,710
might be able to help them and I have to

1634
01:12:25,780 --> 01:12:23,960
show it throw in here you know you're

1635
01:12:27,790 --> 01:12:25,790
not doing an advertisement for yourself

1636
01:12:29,950 --> 01:12:27,800
your book do you miss pants it's hard to

1637
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:29,960
be able to do that because you're you're

1638
01:12:35,530 --> 01:12:32,510
so fantastically successful and popular

1639
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,540
but in general somebody feels a need to

1640
01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:37,520
do this you have some practical advice

1641
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:41,030
give us the big picture view of how they

1642
01:12:47,470 --> 01:12:44,210
go about connecting with a medium in

1643
01:12:51,459 --> 01:12:47,480
order to alleviate or try and deal with

1644
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:51,469
some grief issues sure okay well I there

1645
01:12:56,140 --> 01:12:54,320
are a list about 10 things in attempt

1646
01:12:59,410 --> 01:12:56,150
it's in the book but so the top ones

1647
01:13:03,189 --> 01:12:59,420
that I can think of here first of all

1648
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:03,199
you know go and see a medium work lots

1649
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,110
of mediums are actually working in front

1650
01:13:10,150 --> 01:13:08,000
of the public for that reason so you

1651
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,160
have a chance to go and see them and see

1652
01:13:14,770 --> 01:13:12,320
whether you resonate with them you get a

1653
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:14,780
sense their integrity you can see

1654
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:17,090
whether that person is you know Veni I

1655
01:13:19,630 --> 01:13:17,690
call

1656
01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:19,640
see at all if you can go and see them

1657
01:13:24,340 --> 01:13:22,580
work do that otherwise if you check out

1658
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,350
its simple things like their website

1659
01:13:29,770 --> 01:13:26,960
speak volumes I think where's website

1660
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,780
speak volumes about people you can see

1661
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:31,760
testimonials you can see what other

1662
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:35,210
people are saying if that medium is

1663
01:13:40,689 --> 01:13:39,050
accredited like Julia Julie partials

1664
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:40,699
Winn bridge Institute mediums and

1665
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:43,010
forever family foundation mediums in the

1666
01:13:46,660 --> 01:13:44,719
UK we've got the spiritualist National

1667
01:13:48,370 --> 01:13:46,670
Union and the Institute of spiritualist

1668
01:13:50,890 --> 01:13:48,380
mediums and their organisations right

1669
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:50,900
across the world if the medium has put

1670
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:52,489
themselves through some level of

1671
01:13:57,310 --> 01:13:55,850
accreditation that also helps I mean it

1672
01:13:58,840 --> 01:13:57,320
doesn't improve their connection with

1673
01:13:59,890 --> 01:13:58,850
the spirit world of the spirit world

1674
01:14:02,410 --> 01:13:59,900
when I work with them they're going to

1675
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:02,420
anyway but it means that they have I

1676
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:04,370
feel that person has taken the

1677
01:14:07,780 --> 01:14:06,110
responsibility that they're bearing on

1678
01:14:09,670 --> 01:14:07,790
their shoulders more seriously they want

1679
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:09,680
to make sure they're working to a good

1680
01:14:15,220 --> 01:14:13,250
code of conduct and also all the one

1681
01:14:17,740 --> 01:14:15,230
thing I want to say here is money is not

1682
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:17,750
the way to gauge it because there is

1683
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:19,910
some mediums who don't charge anything

1684
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,130
who do great readings but there are some

1685
01:14:25,540 --> 01:14:24,080
mediums who need to charge because say

1686
01:14:27,670 --> 01:14:25,550
for instance like me I'm fully booked

1687
01:14:30,820 --> 01:14:27,680
for two years normally in advance you

1688
01:14:34,060 --> 01:14:30,830
know the demand is so high I now have to

1689
01:14:35,770 --> 01:14:34,070
pay my bills so I had to charge so it

1690
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:35,780
doesn't mean my integrity is any less

1691
01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:37,910
than the person who isn't charging it's

1692
01:14:41,290 --> 01:14:39,590
just they've chosen to carry on with

1693
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:41,300
their own career while they're doing it

1694
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:42,710
in their spare time they don't need the

1695
01:14:48,820 --> 01:14:43,040
money

1696
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:48,830
issue of course if you are seeing

1697
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:49,250
someone

1698
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:52,850
charging hugely inflated prices and you

1699
01:14:59,260 --> 01:14:56,110
can question their own you know motives

1700
01:15:01,450 --> 01:14:59,270
but that that is not I think a lot of

1701
01:15:03,340 --> 01:15:01,460
people look at that first and for me

1702
01:15:05,530 --> 01:15:03,350
that's that's that's not the most

1703
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:05,540
important thing it's how they're

1704
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:08,090
carrying themselves you know the one

1705
01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:09,440
other thing I throw in there just from

1706
01:15:13,870 --> 01:15:11,480
my experience because in exploring this

1707
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:13,880
on the show I've done a bunch of

1708
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:16,250
readings as a proxy sitter you know in

1709
01:15:23,140 --> 01:15:18,489
between people to kind of demonstrate

1710
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:23,150
this amazing phenomenon that is

1711
01:15:30,839 --> 01:15:26,719
mediumship but one of the things that I

1712
01:15:34,109 --> 01:15:30,849
found is that you can kind of take

1713
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:34,119
scientific approach to this and get a

1714
01:15:40,169 --> 01:15:37,689
lot of personal gain still and let me

1715
01:15:41,459 --> 01:15:40,179
explain what I mean I've found from my

1716
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:41,469
personal experience and I want you to

1717
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:42,489
comment on this because you might

1718
01:15:51,029 --> 01:15:47,679
totally disagree but you don't have to

1719
01:15:53,699 --> 01:15:51,039
you can go into a reading saying to the

1720
01:15:56,219 --> 01:15:53,709
medium up front this is what would be

1721
01:15:59,069 --> 01:15:56,229
most value to valuable to me would be

1722
01:16:01,020 --> 01:15:59,079
evidence that there is this connection

1723
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:01,030
so I don't need a lot of specific

1724
01:16:03,209 --> 01:16:01,689
information

1725
01:16:04,949 --> 01:16:03,219
I just want evidence so therefore I'm

1726
01:16:07,169 --> 01:16:04,959
not going to share much with you I'm

1727
01:16:09,330 --> 01:16:07,179
going to actually share nothing with you

1728
01:16:10,889 --> 01:16:09,340
and I'm not going to that's how I would

1729
01:16:12,569 --> 01:16:10,899
prefer to do this that's how I've

1730
01:16:15,719 --> 01:16:12,579
approached readings with multiple

1731
01:16:17,099 --> 01:16:15,729
mediums that I've done and you'll find

1732
01:16:18,989 --> 01:16:17,109
some mediums to say hey I'm sorry I

1733
01:16:20,369 --> 01:16:18,999
can't work that way but I found other

1734
01:16:20,849 --> 01:16:20,379
mediums you said sure and that's no

1735
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:20,859
problem

1736
01:16:24,449 --> 01:16:22,449
but at the end of the day what it

1737
01:16:27,330 --> 01:16:24,459
allowed me to do when I'm reflected on

1738
01:16:31,109 --> 01:16:27,340
it to say as you said you know wait a

1739
01:16:33,719 --> 01:16:31,119
minute I gave them nothing and they came

1740
01:16:36,419 --> 01:16:33,729
with this so I didn't have those nagging

1741
01:16:38,369 --> 01:16:36,429
questions of hey you know when I said

1742
01:16:39,779 --> 01:16:38,379
this were they playing off of that were

1743
01:16:45,719 --> 01:16:39,789
they doing some kind of cold reading

1744
01:16:49,979 --> 01:16:45,729
things so I just absolutely oh I don't

1745
01:16:52,739 --> 01:16:49,989
know I I do not want any information and

1746
01:16:55,409 --> 01:16:52,749
I say this in the book don't give any

1747
01:16:59,729 --> 01:16:55,419
details there is a really good reason

1748
01:17:01,709 --> 01:16:59,739
for this it's because mediums are

1749
01:17:03,629 --> 01:17:01,719
conscious we're awake when we're working

1750
01:17:06,599 --> 01:17:03,639
you know we're not falling into some

1751
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:06,609
deep trance and any information that you

1752
01:17:11,790 --> 01:17:08,800
give upfront gives the mediums brain

1753
01:17:14,069 --> 01:17:11,800
something to chew over there then under

1754
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:14,079
suggestion even I as a medium do not

1755
01:17:17,849 --> 01:17:16,030
want to be under suggestion I don't want

1756
01:17:20,129 --> 01:17:17,859
my brain actually been in the way I want

1757
01:17:23,399 --> 01:17:20,139
to be still paying attention and just

1758
01:17:26,219 --> 01:17:23,409
receiving what's coming in so I couldn't

1759
01:17:28,739 --> 01:17:26,229
that's absolute way to go about it be

1760
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:28,749
pleasant for medium you can chat but

1761
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:31,090
don't give any details all I ask from my

1762
01:17:36,029 --> 01:17:34,030
clients is say yes no can understand

1763
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:36,039
that don't understand that but give me

1764
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:39,510
nothing more because I need to be clear

1765
01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:43,090
great that's that's great to hear you

1766
01:17:47,099 --> 01:17:45,129
know like I said we could

1767
01:17:48,629 --> 01:17:47,109
go on and on because you've done such

1768
01:17:50,639 --> 01:17:48,639
terrific work here and you've written

1769
01:17:52,889 --> 01:17:50,649
just a great book that I really do hope

1770
01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:52,899
people check out and if you listen this

1771
01:17:58,799 --> 01:17:55,689
you I don't always say that I think the

1772
01:18:01,560 --> 01:17:58,809
dead are dying to teach us our guest has

1773
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:01,570
been Claire broad and it's been

1774
01:18:06,929 --> 01:18:04,090
absolutely terrific having you on you

1775
01:18:08,939 --> 01:18:06,939
did say there is a long waiting list for

1776
01:18:10,949 --> 01:18:08,949
people to talk to you but you do have an

1777
01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:10,959
excellent web presence and people can

1778
01:18:16,349 --> 01:18:12,760
check out your your website

1779
01:18:18,810 --> 01:18:16,359
it's Claire broad medium comm correct is

1780
01:18:21,509 --> 01:18:18,820
that it Claire just Claire Broadcom

1781
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:21,519
Claire broad ekam and how else might

1782
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:25,689
people connect with you and either see

1783
01:18:31,589 --> 01:18:28,570
you live or do other things to follow

1784
01:18:33,299 --> 01:18:31,599
what's going on with you sure so I

1785
01:18:35,969 --> 01:18:33,309
encourage people to come over to my

1786
01:18:38,909 --> 01:18:35,979
facebook page because there is a lovely

1787
01:18:41,879 --> 01:18:38,919
community there of people who are

1788
01:18:43,949 --> 01:18:41,889
questioning like me and who share their

1789
01:18:45,659 --> 01:18:43,959
own personal experiences and support one

1790
01:18:47,609 --> 01:18:45,669
another so that's a great place to come

1791
01:18:49,709 --> 01:18:47,619
you can see me sharing videos and

1792
01:18:53,099 --> 01:18:49,719
teachings and all sorts of things on

1793
01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:53,109
there as well and I am on Instagram and

1794
01:18:58,889 --> 01:18:55,689
Twitter but Facebook is my main space

1795
01:19:01,619 --> 01:18:58,899
animals so on YouTube sharing videos

1796
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:01,629
there so I do encourage people to come

1797
01:19:05,489 --> 01:19:03,489
and engage with me and us you know not

1798
01:19:07,049 --> 01:19:05,499
ask me for readings over that social

1799
01:19:10,139 --> 01:19:07,059
media but ask me questions there's two

1800
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:10,149
over the fat share with each other yes

1801
01:19:13,859 --> 01:19:12,489
the private practice is it's normal for

1802
01:19:16,319 --> 01:19:13,869
it to be booked a couple of years in

1803
01:19:17,879 --> 01:19:16,329
advance I'm inundated with requests for

1804
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:17,889
readings that's probably not the way to

1805
01:19:24,689 --> 01:19:21,760
go so public demonstrations within the

1806
01:19:26,669 --> 01:19:24,699
UK I'm I'm all over the place in

1807
01:19:29,729 --> 01:19:26,679
spiritualist churches spiritual centers

1808
01:19:31,799 --> 01:19:29,739
I'm trying to you know open that out to

1809
01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:31,809
as many places as I can go but I'm a mom

1810
01:19:35,729 --> 01:19:33,550
we didn't even touch on that so you know

1811
01:19:40,649 --> 01:19:35,739
but it's young family and I'm doing all

1812
01:19:43,020 --> 01:19:40,659
this around a very normal life awesome

1813
01:19:45,959 --> 01:19:43,030
well it's just absolutely terrific work

1814
01:19:48,299 --> 01:19:45,969
and it's answered so many questions for

1815
01:19:51,330 --> 01:19:48,309
me so I thank you so much for joining me

1816
01:19:54,170 --> 01:19:51,340
today Claire and that's the work thank

1817
01:19:55,940 --> 01:19:54,180
you so much Alex it's a pleasure

1818
01:19:58,670 --> 01:19:55,950
again declare broad for joining me today

1819
01:20:01,340 --> 01:19:58,680
on skeptic Oh the one question I guess I

1820
01:20:05,050 --> 01:20:01,350
would tee up from this show what

1821
01:20:07,970 --> 01:20:05,060
questions should science be asking of

1822
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:07,980
mediumship you know we spent some time

1823
01:20:15,310 --> 01:20:11,340
on this show talking about how dorky

1824
01:20:20,210 --> 01:20:15,320
Sciences inability to keep up with these

1825
01:20:22,940 --> 01:20:20,220
extended consciousness finding /data

1826
01:20:25,150 --> 01:20:22,950
has left them on the outside looking in

1827
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:25,160
but if we turn that question around what

1828
01:20:31,730 --> 01:20:28,290
could science do how could science

1829
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:31,740
contribute to this further understanding

1830
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:34,890
that we might gain from mediums and

1831
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:38,010
mediumship so if you'd like to weigh in

1832
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:39,810
on that question I'd love to hear from

1833
01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:42,840
you probably the best place to do it to

1834
01:20:47,690 --> 01:20:45,900
reach me and other skeptical listeners

1835
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:47,700
and there are many many really smart

1836
01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:49,980
skeptical listeners that do weigh in on

1837
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:52,620
these topics the best place to connect

1838
01:20:57,980 --> 01:20:55,920
is through the skeptical forum which you

1839
01:21:00,340 --> 01:20:57,990
can find at skeptical forum calm or you

1840
01:21:04,700 --> 01:21:00,350
can find through this sceptical website

1841
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:04,710
ske P tik Oh while you're there of

1842
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:06,360
course you can check out all the

1843
01:21:10,970 --> 01:21:08,640
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1844
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1845
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1846
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01:21:24,020 --> 01:21:20,400
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1848
01:21:26,980 --> 01:21:24,030
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1849
01:21:31,310 --> 01:21:26,990
do hope you stick around for all of that

1850
01:21:33,150 --> 01:21:31,320
until next time take care and bye for